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Specialist mentoring – Lorraine Peterson 04/10/16Alison, Specialist, Lorraine, Sarah, +6
10[4 October 2016 at 17:59:50 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): 14.4 % of pupils in schools in England have SEN (1.22 million pupils)
11.6% of pupils across all schools are on SEN Support
2.8% of pupils across all schools have a statement or an EHC Plan
Specialist • Tue, 17:59
You’ve added Shayma Muqtadir, Lynn CB Joyce and Katherine O’Dempsey to the Hangout.
Tue, 18:00[4 October 2016 at 18:00:48 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Pupils on SEN Support decreased by nearly 6% since 2010 while statements/EHCP have stayed very static
Specialist • Tue, 18:00[4 October 2016 at 18:01:22 UTC+1] Shayma Muqtadir (shayma.muqtadir@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Hi everyone.
Shayma • Tue, 18:01
[4 October 2016 at 18:01:31 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): hey shayma
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:01[4 October 2016 at 18:01:43 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): those statistics are surprising as they are much lower than I expected
Alison • Tue, 18:01
[4 October 2016 at 18:01:57 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): I was thinking the same ali
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:01[4 October 2016 at 18:02:39 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I guess I would expect a typical school to have approx 25% of pupils on SEN register
Alison • Tue, 18:02
[4 October 2016 at 18:04:09 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): but some schools are defintily higher hey Lorraine lol
[4 October 2016 at 18:04:27 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): ITS Lorraine
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:04[4 October 2016 at 18:04:40 UTC+1] Lorraine Smith (lorraine.smith@integratedtreatments.co.uk): definitely at my school lol
Lorraine • Tue, 18:04[4 October 2016 at 18:05:12 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I think the SEN support figure is decreasing because schools are getting better at identifying difference between underachievement and SEN but also because schools underidentify as they have to evidence £6000 of additional spend per pupil. What are your thoughts?
Specialist • Tue, 18:05[4 October 2016 at 18:05:40 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Some schools seem to have an attitude that havig low SEN numbers is an achievement whereas I always think “what’s going on, are they doing their job properly?”
Alison • Tue, 18:05[4 October 2016 at 18:06:02 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): It will be higher is areas of social deprivation and disadvantage
Specialist • Tue, 18:06
You’ve added SaiPrasanna Bangera to the Hangout.
Tue, 18:06[4 October 2016 at 18:07:00 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I think if they say they have low numbers and you know that there should be more they are under identifying due to budget
Specialist • Tue, 18:07[4 October 2016 at 18:07:20 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): my thoughts exactly
Alison • Tue, 18:07[4 October 2016 at 18:07:22 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Hello
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:07
[4 October 2016 at 18:07:36 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): Hi Sai
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:07[4 October 2016 at 18:07:46 UTC+1] Lorraine Smith (lorraine.smith@integratedtreatments.co.uk): yes sadly funding is an issue
Lorraine • Tue, 18:07[4 October 2016 at 18:08:13 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Another important statistic is Between April & June 2016 – the number of local authority decisions appealed by parents increased by 29% compared to same period in 2015 – LAs are rushing through EHCP process to get done in 20 weeks but not issuing quality EHCPs
Specialist • Tue, 18:08
[4 October 2016 at 18:08:26 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): I have had some new students in my school that have been seen by slt previously and then been discharged so not on there ehcp but clearly need slt
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:08[4 October 2016 at 18:09:28 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): In January this year on 18% of statements had been converted to plans – they all have to be completed by March 2018? What are your experiences of this process?
Specialist • Tue, 18:09
[4 October 2016 at 18:10:29 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): i am not finding that as i am in a specialist none lea provision most of our students come with an ehcp
[4 October 2016 at 18:11:09 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): but i am not liking the new format at all at first i thought it was just i needed time to get use to it but i find them very non specific
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:11[4 October 2016 at 18:11:21 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Ofsted and CQC inspections currently taking place to inspect local area implementation of SEND Reforms – 7 LA reports available – all have issues around health provision
Specialist • Tue, 18:11
[4 October 2016 at 18:11:40 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): or i get one in a blue moon that is very specific e.g. 15 hours a year
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:11[4 October 2016 at 18:12:45 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): that really doesn’t surprise me.. It was only a judicial review clarifying where health provision should be that enforced LAs to issue statements properly
Alison • Tue, 18:12[4 October 2016 at 18:13:07 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Every local authority has different format – many are being criticised for not being specific enough and not quantifying provision – being rushed to meet 20 week deadline – some LAs outsourcing to private company at £80 per plan!!!
Specialist • Tue, 18:13
[4 October 2016 at 18:14:06 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): definitely i have read one this week tht clearly will need slt input and no mention of slt provision on the ehcp
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:14[4 October 2016 at 18:14:43 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I’m afraid that as a Mum to 3 SEN kids and a previous school governor LA’s are all about saving resources and cutting budgets
Alison • Tue, 18:14[4 October 2016 at 18:15:10 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Another shocking statistic is a child on SEN Support is 7 time s more likely to have affixed term exclusion – this is leaving lots of children and young people “out of education” because an appropriate place cannot be found for them
Specialist • Tue, 18:15
[4 October 2016 at 18:15:35 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): i am not at all shocked by that!
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:15[4 October 2016 at 18:16:05 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): A good EHCP should have a comprehensive list of every need matched to provision to support each need and an outcome for each
Specialist • Tue, 18:16
[4 October 2016 at 18:16:23 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): and then this proves a difficulty as if they are out of education it takes longer for professionals to assess or gain access to assess needs appropriately they are then misplaced in another setting
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:16[4 October 2016 at 18:16:33 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): the other issue is that schools regularly send children home for lunch periods or a portion of the day because they can’t cope with the child but will not officially issue a short term exclusion notice. It’s illegal to send them out without it and it is a form of exclusion
Alison • Tue, 18:16
You’ve added Fatima Bibi Seedat to the Hangout.
Tue, 18:16[4 October 2016 at 18:16:50 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I’ve seen it so many times and experienced it personally many many times
Alison • Tue, 18:16[4 October 2016 at 18:16:56 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): There are also a number of safeguarding issues – if they are not in school where are they?
Specialist • Tue, 18:16[4 October 2016 at 18:17:19 UTC+1] Fatima Bibi Seedat (fatima.seedat@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Hi sorry for being late, just finished work. I’ll catch up and join in soon
Fatima • Tue, 18:17
[4 October 2016 at 18:17:28 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): thanks Fatima
[4 October 2016 at 18:17:59 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): i think it just makes it more difficult for not only the child but also the parents
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:17[4 October 2016 at 18:18:03 UTC+1] Lynn CB Joyce (lynn.joyce@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Hi, sorry that I’m late
Lynn • Tue, 18:18[4 October 2016 at 18:18:09 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): You are right Alison – totally illegal – this is not allowed and parents should be refusing to take them home unless it is a fixed or permanent exclusion
[4 October 2016 at 18:18:43 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): These are the children and young people who need to be in school every day!
Specialist • Tue, 18:18
[4 October 2016 at 18:19:09 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): but parents don’t know this and school wont tell them
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:19[4 October 2016 at 18:19:52 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Schools have got to get better had offering a curriculum that meets all needs – however while we have league tables, Ofsted and Multi-Academy Trusts this will not happen.
Specialist • Tue, 18:19[4 October 2016 at 18:20:15 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Parents have such a tough time in these circumstances because school shave all the power. You can’t get into a stand up row with the school when asked to take your child home, especially if your child is distressed and party to the conversation. Plus you ideally want to work with your school as a partner. You need them on your side and not in conflict with you.
Alison • Tue, 18:20
[4 October 2016 at 18:20:45 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): interesting Lorraine i was talking to the head at my school about the removal of levels can you tell me more about it?
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:20[4 October 2016 at 18:21:05 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): A lot of parents do know and the system still beats them, especially if you have a child that is not kicking off or being disruptive
Alison • Tue, 18:21[4 October 2016 at 18:21:23 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Absolutely but schools should be doing it properly – then we will have a true picture of what is happening out there.
[4 October 2016 at 18:22:44 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): The data tells us we have less children with SEN but what it does not tell us is the increase in the complexity of the needs of our children especially those with significant underlying social, emotional and mental health needs
Specialist • Tue, 18:22
[4 October 2016 at 18:23:20 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): that’s because camhs waiting list is far to long they never get seen
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:23[4 October 2016 at 18:23:52 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): and even when CAMHS do see children they don’t/can’t offer much in terms of support
Alison • Tue, 18:23[4 October 2016 at 18:24:31 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): The primary need across all schools according to the data is Moderate Learning Difficulties but I am sure you would all say speech, language and communication needs are the most prevent – this is about a lack of understanding when identifying children
Specialist • Tue, 18:24
[4 October 2016 at 18:24:57 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): it is nice when schools do prioritise additional services and buy us in
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:24[4 October 2016 at 18:24:58 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): It can take years for a child to get a diagnosis at CAMHS and then there is very little follow up support. I heard of a Psychiatrist once telling a parent “they have autism what do you want me to do about it, I can’t take it away”
Alison • Tue, 18:24[4 October 2016 at 18:25:09 UTC+1] Katherine O’Dempsey (kate.odempsey@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Sorry I’m late!!
Katherine • Tue, 18:25[4 October 2016 at 18:25:25 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Yes I agree about CAMHS but schools have a duty to be the first response to MH concerns but many not even trying especially around staff development
Specialist • Tue, 18:25
[4 October 2016 at 18:25:25 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): no problem kate
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:25[4 October 2016 at 18:25:28 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Ouch…
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:25
[4 October 2016 at 18:26:13 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): its hard i worked in a ccamhs service for 6 years and the kids are all different
[4 October 2016 at 18:26:56 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): i personally think that that is tough on schools to be responsible for that i would definitely b making the school nurse do lots of work
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:26[4 October 2016 at 18:27:15 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Schools have got to get better at commissioning services and not trying to do it all on there own. Unfortunately in most LAS there is very little “free” support left – some schools just think if we cant get it free then we don’t have to do anything
Specialist • Tue, 18:27
You’ve added Elizabeth Swaniker-Noi to the Hangout.
Tue, 18:27[4 October 2016 at 18:27:35 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I think it’s hard for schools too. They often have limited resources and are expected to do things that they are not qualified to do
Alison • Tue, 18:27[4 October 2016 at 18:27:53 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): There are many schools that have no access to a school nurse
Specialist • Tue, 18:27[4 October 2016 at 18:27:57 UTC+1] Elizabeth Swaniker-Noi (elizabeth.swaniker-noi@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Hi all. So sorry I’m late
Elizabeth • Tue, 18:27
[4 October 2016 at 18:28:42 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): really i thought all schools other than independent had access to school nurse
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:28[4 October 2016 at 18:29:14 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): It is really tough on schools especially with decreasing budgets but they have a duty to provide an education to meet needs – my belief is schools are no longer educational establishments but have to offer social care and health support as well so they need a workforce that can provide that.
[4 October 2016 at 18:29:53 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Re. School Nurse – some have a named person they can phone but many have no one
Specialist • Tue, 18:29
[4 October 2016 at 18:29:54 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): no wonder the sencos look run down with all this to do
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:29[4 October 2016 at 18:30:32 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): And in primary most of them have got a full-time teaching commitment with maybe half a day to be SENCO
Specialist • Tue, 18:30[4 October 2016 at 18:30:42 UTC+1] Shayma Muqtadir (shayma.muqtadir@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I agree with the last comment Lorraine, as I found this in my previous secondary school that I was at. So much support in all areas was given to the pupils.
Shayma • Tue, 18:30[4 October 2016 at 18:31:45 UTC+1] Elizabeth Swaniker-Noi (elizabeth.swaniker-noi@integratedtreatments.co.uk): It makes such a difference when a SENCO is full time or that is their sole role (becoming rarer these days)
Elizabeth • Tue, 18:31[4 October 2016 at 18:31:48 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): The SEND reforms were really positive and should be offering a much better system for SEN children and their families BUT they need funding properly
Specialist • Tue, 18:31[4 October 2016 at 18:32:17 UTC+1] Lorraine Smith (lorraine.smith@integratedtreatments.co.uk): ahhh yes… funding!!! 😞
Lorraine • Tue, 18:32
[4 October 2016 at 18:32:47 UTC+1] Fatima Bibi Seedat (fatima.seedat@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Oh we won’t mention funding…one of my settings are really struggling with that!
Fatima • Tue, 18:32[4 October 2016 at 18:33:02 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): In my opinion (for what it is worth) every SENCO should have at least 50% time to do role and in large schools or those with high numbers of SEN they should be 100% SENCO
Specialist • Tue, 18:33[4 October 2016 at 18:33:26 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): i agree
Alison • Tue, 18:33[4 October 2016 at 18:33:37 UTC+1] Lorraine Smith (lorraine.smith@integratedtreatments.co.uk): definitely
Lorraine • Tue, 18:33
[4 October 2016 at 18:33:53 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): that’s why many settings just want half a day as rhe are tryong to do the best but really its not enough
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:33[4 October 2016 at 18:34:35 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): The issue with funding is around senior leaders using it appropriately – many will say we have 15 TAs in this school – I would ask how effective are they? How are they supporting teaching and learning? What are the outcomes for the children they are working with?
[4 October 2016 at 18:35:23 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Is there a more effective way of using that budget that may involve some specialist support
[4 October 2016 at 18:36:21 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Have you seen an increase or decrease in the amount schools are spending on external support?
Specialist • Tue, 18:36
[4 October 2016 at 18:37:21 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): its hard to say Lorraine setting enquiries are quiet at the moment but then we get requests for half a day a fortnight which is just not enough for a school
[4 October 2016 at 18:38:00 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): we usually see an increase in the next few weeks when they haven’t received the nhs servce they were promised
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:38[4 October 2016 at 18:38:30 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): If they are only getting that small amount then they need highly trained staff in school (and parents) who can deliver interventions in between visits from specialists
Specialist • Tue, 18:38[4 October 2016 at 18:38:52 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I think the outcomes for Wave 2 interventions are very promising
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:38[4 October 2016 at 18:39:10 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Do you get requests from LA to provide support that is written in EHCP but where NHS not offering?
Specialist • Tue, 18:39[4 October 2016 at 18:39:44 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): There is a strong evidence base for Talkboost and ELCISS
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:39
[4 October 2016 at 18:39:55 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): yes we do sometimes get that and i have had that with a client i see 1:1
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:39[4 October 2016 at 18:39:55 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): And of course Word Aware
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:39[4 October 2016 at 18:40:35 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I would agree about the Wave 2 Interventions but the real need is in the additional and/or different of SEN Support – schools should be evidencing up to £6000 per pupil spend to meet need
Specialist • Tue, 18:40[4 October 2016 at 18:41:09 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I work collaboratively with TAs and teachers, which I believe has more impact
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:41[4 October 2016 at 18:41:56 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): This would pay for more specialist support if bought in for a number of pupils. Schools also have Pupil Premium for those on free school meals – where is this going?
[4 October 2016 at 18:42:37 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Absolutely agree about working in partnership with teachers and TAs I would add parents to that.
Specialist • Tue, 18:42[4 October 2016 at 18:42:37 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I think it would prove to be very challenging for some of my students to cope in class without TA support
[4 October 2016 at 18:43:13 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I am personally amazed at their dedication
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:43[4 October 2016 at 18:44:02 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): There is an issue though around teachers (and children) have become reliant on TAs – Still need to ask what is the impact of having a TA in the classroom?
Specialist • Tue, 18:44[4 October 2016 at 18:44:11 UTC+1] Fatima Bibi Seedat (fatima.seedat@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Yes one of my settings have added all their pupil premium students on my caseload until I assess them and decide whether they require SLT. Which means that other students not on pupil premium sometimes have to wait
Fatima • Tue, 18:44[4 October 2016 at 18:44:42 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): My experience is limited in the UK (3 years) though…
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:44[4 October 2016 at 18:45:16 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Schools can be “creative” with their funding as long as they can show impact for PP children – it is what they put in place following the assessment that matters
Specialist • Tue, 18:45[4 October 2016 at 18:45:56 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I think they provide opportunities for students to access the curriculum
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:45[4 October 2016 at 18:46:03 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): TAs are a valuable and dedicated resource in every school – just need to ensure we are employing them effectively
Specialist • Tue, 18:46[4 October 2016 at 18:46:24 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Their support in class varies depending on individual needs
[4 October 2016 at 18:46:51 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I agree about dependency
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:46[4 October 2016 at 18:47:34 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Have you seen an increase in children with mental health needs as well as SLCN?
Specialist • Tue, 18:47
[4 October 2016 at 18:48:15 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): yes definitely
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:48[4 October 2016 at 18:48:40 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I’m not sure
[4 October 2016 at 18:48:56 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I mean I don’t know
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:48[4 October 2016 at 18:49:03 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Lots of reasons I think for this – not least the pressure young people are now under to perform and conform
Specialist • Tue, 18:49[4 October 2016 at 18:49:06 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I think that’s as a result of having needs that are not always being met effectively.
Alison • Tue, 18:49[4 October 2016 at 18:49:52 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Yes, a young person with SEN is 6 times more likely to have a MH need
[4 October 2016 at 18:50:35 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Also could be because parent/s have MH needs which are part of a culture at home
Specialist • Tue, 18:50
[4 October 2016 at 18:51:01 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): i also think that due to the camhs services being stretched mis diagnosis is often happening or a child doesn’t receive a diagnosis
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:51[4 October 2016 at 18:51:05 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Let me explain my last statement. i’m thinking about several ASD children I know (not my own) who are not coping in their school placements which are inadequate and it definitely impacts on their emotional well being and mental health
Alison • Tue, 18:51
[4 October 2016 at 18:51:10 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): unless they are self harming
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:51[4 October 2016 at 18:51:14 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Anyone got any specific questions they would like me to answer?
Specialist • Tue, 18:51[4 October 2016 at 18:51:21 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I understand the ‘pressures’! My 16-year old needs me more now than ever
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:51[4 October 2016 at 18:51:46 UTC+1] Elizabeth Swaniker-Noi (elizabeth.swaniker-noi@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I have seen an increase in MH in children who need specialist provision but due to a lack of specialist provision, they have remained in mainstream schools which despite the schools best efforts are not meeting the child’s needs
Elizabeth • Tue, 18:51
[4 October 2016 at 18:51:55 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): in agreement ali
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:51[4 October 2016 at 18:52:44 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Those that self-harm often end up in A &E and get fast-tracked – it is those with “hidden” need that do not get seen
Specialist • Tue, 18:52[4 October 2016 at 18:52:50 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I know quite a few children who cannot cope with school and refuse to go, which just raises everyone’s stress levels and these children often remain “out of school” for up to a year at a time, or get moved from school to school which is just as bad
Alison • Tue, 18:52[4 October 2016 at 18:53:38 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): There has been a significant increase in the number of children being “home educated” because parents cannot get the school placement that they want
Specialist • Tue, 18:53[4 October 2016 at 18:54:01 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I’m just wondering what we could do to make things better? This is all so worrying…
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:54[4 October 2016 at 18:54:03 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I had a client just like this earlier in the year who was trying to commit suicide regularly and he has not been fast-tracked. He’s still in a bad situation and his parents are locked into a stressful and expensive battle with the LA
Alison • Tue, 18:54
[4 October 2016 at 18:54:47 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): and then the home eduated children aren’t included in the statostics
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:54[4 October 2016 at 18:55:37 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): absolutely Helen, plus the impact on a parent’s mental well being having a much loved SEN child with you all the time is HUGE!!!!
Alison • Tue, 18:55[4 October 2016 at 18:55:44 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): It is all very sad but we can only do what we can – lost of schools are really “managing” untenable situations but they care and they do not want to let children and families down – this is commendable but it really hides the true picture from the powers that be.
Specialist • Tue, 18:55[4 October 2016 at 18:56:08 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): And respite can be hard to access too, and you can feel guilty for even asking for it
Alison • Tue, 18:56[4 October 2016 at 18:56:40 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): The answer of course is “bring back grammar schools!!!”
Specialist • Tue, 18:56[4 October 2016 at 18:56:48 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): ha ha
Alison • Tue, 18:56[4 October 2016 at 18:56:51 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Yes, we can do the best we can
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:56[4 October 2016 at 18:56:51 UTC+1] Lorraine Smith (lorraine.smith@integratedtreatments.co.uk): haha
Lorraine • Tue, 18:56[4 October 2016 at 18:57:03 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): so that able children can have more choice
Alison • Tue, 18:57[4 October 2016 at 18:57:08 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Sorry – I am getting very cynical in my old age!
Specialist • Tue, 18:57[4 October 2016 at 18:57:18 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Thank you
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:57[4 October 2016 at 18:57:45 UTC+1] Lynn CB Joyce (lynn.joyce@integratedtreatments.co.uk): i can see why!
Lynn • Tue, 18:57[4 October 2016 at 18:58:11 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Thank you for sharing your experiences
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:58[4 October 2016 at 18:58:19 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Any more questions?
Specialist • Tue, 18:58
[4 October 2016 at 18:58:50 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): thanks lorriane
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:58[4 October 2016 at 18:58:56 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): I’m aware that I have sounded very critical and jaded in this session……it’s the result of raising 3 ASD sons, being a parent advocate and fighting many battles with my LA. However, I would like to also say that there were so many staff along the way that had huge positive impact on the life of my children that I am still in touch with today. Their efforts did make a difference!!!
Alison • Tue, 18:58[4 October 2016 at 18:58:57 UTC+1] Lynn CB Joyce (lynn.joyce@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Thank you for your insights. This my first year in the school system and it is tough for families
Lynn • Tue, 18:58[4 October 2016 at 18:59:29 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): and we have the opportunity to be that kind of person too
Alison • Tue, 18:59[4 October 2016 at 18:59:33 UTC+1] Fatima Bibi Seedat (fatima.seedat@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Thanks Lorraine, given me food for thought!
Fatima • Tue, 18:59[4 October 2016 at 18:59:43 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): That’s why I love my job!!!
Alison • Tue, 18:59[4 October 2016 at 18:59:48 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): It is very tough for families especially those who do not have the skills or energy to “fight”
Specialist • Tue, 18:59[4 October 2016 at 18:59:51 UTC+1] Alison Mann (alison.mann@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Thank you Lorraine
Alison • Tue, 18:59
[4 October 2016 at 18:59:53 UTC+1] Helen Dunn (helendunn@integratedtreatments.org.uk): i shall open up another window for bindu
Sending…Message not delivered.Tue, 18:59[4 October 2016 at 18:59:55 UTC+1] SaiPrasanna Bangera (SaiPrasanna.Bangera@integratedtreatments.co.uk): True Ali x
SaiPrasanna • Tue, 18:59[4 October 2016 at 19:00:14 UTC+1] Shayma Muqtadir (shayma.muqtadir@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Thanks Lorraine very interesting session
Shayma • Tue, 19:00[4 October 2016 at 19:00:17 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Thank you everyone –
Specialist • Tue, 19:00[4 October 2016 at 19:00:23 UTC+1] Elizabeth Swaniker-Noi (elizabeth.swaniker-noi@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Not from me- it’s been really interesting. Thanks Lorraine
Elizabeth • Tue, 19:00[4 October 2016 at 19:00:34 UTC+1] Lorraine Smith (lorraine.smith@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Thank you Lorraine – really interesting ☺
Lorraine • Tue, 19:00[4 October 2016 at 19:00:46 UTC+1] Katherine O’Dempsey (kate.odempsey@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Sorry I was so late!! Thank you ☺
Katherine • Tue, 19:00
[4 October 2016 at 19:01:14 UTC+1] Specialist Mentor1 (specialistmentor1@integratedtreatments.co.uk): Thanks Helen – see you soon
Specialist • Tue, 19:01